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		<title>by: Mike</title>
		<link>http://filmjournal.net/mike/2008/07/14/ruined/#comment-19121</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks as ever for the comments.

Clydefro - after reading some other comparisons between the film and book, it's clearly one I'm going to have to read. It sounds as though it could be a particularly unsettling experience. I might add that it's odd to see the writer of both novel and screenplay coming up with such an uninspired script for the latter, but then who knows what chops and changes were made afterwards? Maybe it's a story that didn't translate so easily from page to screen. 

Paul - I know you're right, and that there's little point in bringing up the tired old debate about American teens (they've talken over from Hammer's British poshos) walking into danger, yet it screamed at me in this case.Though many fine fright flicks have started with exactly this premise, the film seemed to simply shuffle its characters off to the slaughter as quickly as the plot would allow, meaning I guess that you bought your ticket to see some young beautifuls get handed their cards as opposed to getting any degree of character development. 

What a shame. There were some good bits that I didn't mention (as I worked my ranting fingers on the keys). The sunniness that Clydefro brought up was certainly one; the business with the phone was a neat part of the movie and hinted at an undercurrent of black humour that didn't go anywhere afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks as ever for the comments.</p>
<p>Clydefro - after reading some other comparisons between the film and book, it&#8217;s clearly one I&#8217;m going to have to read. It sounds as though it could be a particularly unsettling experience. I might add that it&#8217;s odd to see the writer of both novel and screenplay coming up with such an uninspired script for the latter, but then who knows what chops and changes were made afterwards? Maybe it&#8217;s a story that didn&#8217;t translate so easily from page to screen. </p>
<p>Paul - I know you&#8217;re right, and that there&#8217;s little point in bringing up the tired old debate about American teens (they&#8217;ve talken over from Hammer&#8217;s British poshos) walking into danger, yet it screamed at me in this case.Though many fine fright flicks have started with exactly this premise, the film seemed to simply shuffle its characters off to the slaughter as quickly as the plot would allow, meaning I guess that you bought your ticket to see some young beautifuls get handed their cards as opposed to getting any degree of character development. </p>
<p>What a shame. There were some good bits that I didn&#8217;t mention (as I worked my ranting fingers on the keys). The sunniness that Clydefro brought up was certainly one; the business with the phone was a neat part of the movie and hinted at an undercurrent of black humour that didn&#8217;t go anywhere afterwards.
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		<title>by: paulwjm</title>
		<link>http://filmjournal.net/mike/2008/07/14/ruined/#comment-19120</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I like your Dracula Prince of Darkness analogy actually.  I think we have to accept that characters in these modern terror films do dumb ass things - they've been doing so for decades and they'll be doing so for decades more.  Why?  For one, they're quite often American teens and American teens clearly have little in way of common sense.  Also, it gets these dumb asses up the creek without their paddles so we can cheer on their deserved deaths (hold on, that is the point isn't it...?).  Then again, if you found out about an ancient temple in the middle of nowhere on your hols are you telling me you wouldn't be tempted to take a peak??  Anyway, it's probably best not to look for rock solid logic in movies like The Ruins, consequently they can be a tad more enjoyable that one expects.  I can't say for certain whether this is the case here as I haven't seen it, but I think I may check this one out when it appears on disc at some point (the trailer is rather good admittedly), but I suspect all of your points are well-founded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your Dracula Prince of Darkness analogy actually.  I think we have to accept that characters in these modern terror films do dumb ass things - they&#8217;ve been doing so for decades and they&#8217;ll be doing so for decades more.  Why?  For one, they&#8217;re quite often American teens and American teens clearly have little in way of common sense.  Also, it gets these dumb asses up the creek without their paddles so we can cheer on their deserved deaths (hold on, that is the point isn&#8217;t it&#8230;?).  Then again, if you found out about an ancient temple in the middle of nowhere on your hols are you telling me you wouldn&#8217;t be tempted to take a peak??  Anyway, it&#8217;s probably best not to look for rock solid logic in movies like The Ruins, consequently they can be a tad more enjoyable that one expects.  I can&#8217;t say for certain whether this is the case here as I haven&#8217;t seen it, but I think I may check this one out when it appears on disc at some point (the trailer is rather good admittedly), but I suspect all of your points are well-founded.
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		<title>by: clydefro</title>
		<link>http://filmjournal.net/mike/2008/07/14/ruined/#comment-19119</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I liked this just a tiny smidge better than you did, but I'd also agree there's a lot of pointlessness involved. The thing I keep coming back to about the film is something you dismissed - its sunniness. In some small way, the fact that it doesn't much use darkness as a scare tactic (aside from the very beginning and when the girls are lowered into that dig site) impressed me. I know I want the film to generally be more subversive and metaphorical than it probably is, which is part of what I tried to take away from the novel, and it disappointments me for too often taking the easy path. Mostly, potential unrealized, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this just a tiny smidge better than you did, but I&#8217;d also agree there&#8217;s a lot of pointlessness involved. The thing I keep coming back to about the film is something you dismissed - its sunniness. In some small way, the fact that it doesn&#8217;t much use darkness as a scare tactic (aside from the very beginning and when the girls are lowered into that dig site) impressed me. I know I want the film to generally be more subversive and metaphorical than it probably is, which is part of what I tried to take away from the novel, and it disappointments me for too often taking the easy path. Mostly, potential unrealized, though.
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